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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:34 pm 
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Had to post before bed or it would keep me wondering all night. :?

Was at costco when I saw a huge jug of soybean oil for about seventy five cents a quart and jumped on it remembering only that soybean oil is something people use as a stretcher oil. Well I get home and start doing my research on it and linoleic acid rears its ugly polyunsaturated head :cry: . I wrangled with it before following an online recipie for Canolive soap that had 42% Canola (DOS galore), and soybean oil has at least TWICE the linoleic acid content as Canola. Right now my base recipie has 20% Coconut, 15% Palm, 3% Castor, and the rest is Olive. I want something to cut the olive with to cut costs, and I thought soybean would be great, but now I'm not so sure. I superfat at 8% and so far so good.

Here's the big question. Does superfatting contribute to ones chance for DOS? Since the whole Carbon Hydrogen chain with those troublesome double bonds is not what the lye attacks, but rather the glycerine end of things, part of me wants to think that how much you superfat shouldn't have an influence on whether you get DOS. On the other hand, oil sitting around, especially exposed to air, is going to go rancid faster than soap on the shelf, right? I'm thinking of testing the variable of how much soy I add, say a 15% and a 30% batch, but should I also be testing for superfat? I like the feel of my 8% superfat as I have dry skin. Would I have to sacrifice that to sneak in a short lived oil? Any advice to help me direct my testing would be greatly apreciated, thanks in advance!

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I did an HP soap with 8% SF that is 40% soy and 10 months later there are still no DOS. Its a great soap too! Nice lather and not drying at all.

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I've got some soap that I made a year ago subbing 15% soybean oil for part of my olive oil, 7% SF. No problems with DOS and I really like the way the lather feels.

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Have you thought of using rice bran oil for part of your olive oil instead?

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You can order it online too although you get stuck with shipping. Soapers Choice is closer to you than BB so check it out.

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soy oil works fine, I have it at 15% in some recipes with no problems short or long term.
I've never seen DOS in my soaps. However I have found that after a year or so, probably the boiling hot climate, some start turning rancid. No spots, just the smell isn't good.


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