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 Post subject: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:21 pm 

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I can go along fine making soap then all of a sudden everything I make seizes and forms a gobby mess that I have to plop in a mold. No chance to swirl or anything.
So...........what is the main culprit?

I am soaping at about 105 degrees.
I use almost the highest rate of water.
I use a 5% lye solution
I added 2.5 ounces of Brambleberry fragrance in 3 pounds
My recipe is usually castor, cocoa butter, sunflower, soybean, coconut or palm, lard and maybe olive.

I am thinking that somehow the fragrace is the problem. Maybe I should cut back to only .5 ounce per pound.


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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:22 pm 

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oops. Maybe I am soaping more at about 110 degrees


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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:46 pm 
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I don't understand what you mean by 5% lye solution. Do you mean a 5% superfat? Cocoa butter has a high melt point. Is it possible that the butter started to solidify at the lower temp and you got a false trace? If not, it could be the fragrance.

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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:43 pm 

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Yes. I guess I mean 5% superfat. When I print a recipe on The Sage and it gives different % of lye I go 5%.

I guess I don't understand false trace. All I know is it gets globby.

Should I use less fragrance? I have read some things that say to heat the fragrance.

The cocoa butter was all melted.


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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:45 pm 

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I will say once I get the soap in the mold and do a lot of banging on the counter to get the air bubbles out it comes out ok. It is just that I can't do fun things with it. Some of my soap is real fluid so I can swirl it and stuff. I am getting pretty discouraged. I am taking another soap making class in October and I have a whole list of questions.


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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:51 pm 
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I use anywhere from 0.5 to 1 oz. of fragrance per lb. of CP soap. I wouldn't use less. Try this; next time you make soap, add 1 TBS of liquid lecithin to your batch and see if that will give you more time to reach trace withour seizing or ricing. If it still seizes, I would say it's the FO. Some people add their fragrance after the cook.

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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:01 pm 

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I assume I get liquid lecithin at a health food store?


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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:23 pm 

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Of all the factors listed which is the most likely to cause seizing? i guess I am just not satisfied until I know why.


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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:16 pm 
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Most seizing is caused by fragrance oils; especially the floral ones.

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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:31 am 

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Would the use of essential oils reduce the chance of seizing?


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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
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 Post subject: Re: Seizing problems
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:24 am 
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I've had beer make my soap trace like lightning with and without FOs added. Maybe Big Moose can help me out here? All his soaps are made with beer.


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