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Soapcrafter

Post subject: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:24 pm

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I see so many people claim that their Glycerin soap is organic. While we have organic bases, by putting in FO makes it no longer organic.. so many bases say they are but when you read the ingredients they are not.. Also with other soaps that need water and lye how can they say they are organic?
water is an inorganic compound. Organic compounds have (C) carbon. If one were to soak wood ashes in water doesn't mean its organic, is this correct?
example of a said glycerin organic base
Ingredients: Filtered water, organic palm oil, organic coconut oil, glycerin, and sorbitol (a humectant derived from berries).

Just because the water is filtered doesn't make it organic..its still Inorganic... correct?
thanks for you help I am stumped.
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soapbuddy

Post subject: Re: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:07 pm

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Filtered water is not organic and neither is lye. Would you want to use filtered water from a natural pond? I seriously doubt that they would make their lye with wood ashes and water. And sorbitol is far removed from berries due to the processing. The only true way they could be called organic if they paid a lot and bought the organic certification.

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mella

Post subject: Re: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 5:43 am

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YummyMummy

Post subject: Re: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:42 pm

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The wonderful world of 'Organic' products. Things are never true to what they seem nowadays!

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noni2009

Post subject: Re: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:50 pm

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So how are you supposed to market your soaps? I put on the label of the soap - "Made with organic soap, ( I buy the organic MP from BB) and fragrance oil". Is this considered good enough for the people who like natural prodcts?

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YummyMummy

Post subject: Re: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 3:53 pm

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I buy in a M&P Organic Oils base, if I add anything like fragrances etc I don't feel I can still stick the word 'Organic' in the title as the fragrance oil isn't organic. I would state in the description that the base itself was made out of organic oils as this to an effect is a benefit of the product, but the overall title wouldn't say organic as I had put an ingredient in that wasn't organic.

I hope this makes sense! :mrgreen:

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soapbuddy

Post subject: Re: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:38 pm

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Soapcrafter

Post subject: Re: Claiming to be organic, a question about this.

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 7:19 pm

Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 6:24 pm
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Thank you so much . It feels so good to see others understand what I mean and how i feel when I see labels or soap makers say their soap is all Organic..
Because Water nor lye is organic. therefore I do not believe any soap is really organic..

Even Organic soap bases that say they are organic. were made with water and lye. .like all soap is.. and therefore can't be organic..

Finally some people who agree with this. I get so mad when i see others at shows say its all organic, and then I see FO added..

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