Teach Soap

I decided to come at this problem from the basis of having a working conditioner formula rather than trying to modify a shampoo.
So far so good. Since cationic compounds are incompatible with soaps and anionics, I added two amphoteric surfactants and 1% Glucamate VLT and it has come out super nice. Loads of foam. Lovely feel. Leaves the hair looking great. But I have to wait and see if it separates over time like all the other experimental formulae.

Keep us updated, please.

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Susie
Sometimes A Mistake is so much fun, You just have to do it again!

Some people only use a hair conditioner to wash their hair. I learned that for a hair forum. Just a thought.

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Irena
Closed minds are like faulty parachutes; they refuse to open.

Yes I'm starting to see some separation going on. Not as bad as the last formula but there all right
Been checking the formula and the logical cause is either the virgin avocado oil or the jojoba oil. Of those two I suspect it is the avocado. I will omit it in the next test. It's only 0.5% too. The shampoo works great but unattractive products tend not to sell.

My last 2 in 1 is now a solid gelly glob on top of a water base. Grrrr We'll get it yet! Or spend a butt load of money trying to get it right!

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~~Heather~~
Mad [soaping] Scientist

Yes it's the last part about spending all the money that worries me!

OK, more experiments this morning. I made the same formula but I omitted both the jojoba oil and the avocado oil. I used a men's aroma for this one, Uomo Blue from IFF, and it came out clear, very nice.
Then to the remainder I added 2.5% jojoba oil (quite a lot really) and blended at high speed. Now waiting to see if it separates.

What are you using as a "conditioning agent"? The recipe I have suggests honeyquat and glycerin as they condition and are humectants. It also suggests adding 2% cetac and 4% silicone. I did 2% cyclo-dimethicone and it turned out nice, no left over silicone on your hands etc. The 4% was just way too much (though she does suggest using water soluble silicone if possible).

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~~Heather~~
Mad [soaping] Scientist

Do you mind if I ask what two surfactants you are using? I was thinking of trying Coco betain and decyl polyglucoside in my next batch. The one with Coco betain and sulfosuccinate didn't separate, but I used too much PEG-150 to thicken it. It is kind of the texture of goo. I am bound and determined to make my husband a decent 2 in 1!

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~~Heather~~
Mad [soaping] Scientist

Actually the succinate one with honeyquat didn't separate at all. The one with plantapon cetac and honeyquat did. The polyglucoside is "non-ionic". Trying to bring chemistry back to my head for this, but its gone. And my text books are in Canada somewhere.

Seems succinate and plantapon are both suited to a non- 2 in 1. I shall have to remember that. Thanks I appreciate the formula help!

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~~Heather~~
Mad [soaping] Scientist

You are doing better than I am at this point, I think. My most recent test just changed from clear to milky
I think I will try the Plantapon LG Sorb instead of the cocoamphoacetate.

That is what I used in my separated batch. But I think you're right that the cationic compounds caused that. It is actually unusable, there is a very firm layer on top of a watery looking layer. No amount of shaking can mix them.

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~~Heather~~
Mad [soaping] Scientist