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 Post subject: Temperature issue
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:41 am 
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Hey guys, trying embeds for the first time and I have an issue. Soap Queen (and other tutorials) say not to pour over the embed until your soap is between 120 and 130* F. My problem is that my soap is always solidifying over 140* F. How do I get my soap cool enough for embeds without it solidifying? This is why, in the 20 years I've been using MP soap, I haven't had a successful embed. Its getting annoying!

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:58 am 
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What kind of base are you using?

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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http://www.canwax.com/Shea-Butter-Melt- ... _1506.html Is the "white" base and http://www.canwax.com/Clear-Melt-Pour-2lbs_p_567.html is the clear base. I melted the shea base and added 6 drops of FD&C magenta colourant, stirred, and measured the temperature. It was at 150* F so I let it cool, but it started to solidify! So I checked the temperature and it was still at 140* F. At 140* F I was able to mold it into a ball like play dough! I plan to embed the shea hearts in the clear base which I have not tried to use yet as I am kind of worried it will melt my hearts! The hearts have no FO, I decided to only scent the majority of the bars (the clear base, when I get around to using it).

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:43 am 
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Hmmm, I wonder if it has something to do with the ingredients in the base, too. The ingredients look similar to those in a soap base I picked up at my local craft store back in the day. I did not have much success with that base, and it set up quickly if I recall. Once I switched to SFIC bases (which BB carries), soaping was a lot easier, and I liked the quality of the base better. With BB/SFIC bases, I can cool my soap to 115-120 degrees for layers and embeds and it's still liquid-y enough to pour. Hope that helps - good luck! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:53 am 
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I prefer SFIC bases like BrambleBerry sells as they don't set up as fast.

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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The stearic acid in that soap will make a nice hard bar that would set up pretty quick. I'd try a base without it.

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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I have access to this base, or the expensive stuff from Michaels. Bramble Berry is simply too expensive for me to order from. $40 S&H on $10 of jojoba beads for example :cry: I wish I could order from them! Something else to look forward to when I get to NJ!

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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The bases you are using sound super tricky to work with! No wonder you are frustrated. Have you done a search to see if you can get SFIC bases in Canada?

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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I haven't been able to find any :(

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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I actually just checked my second vendor and they have it! Arg! Guess I'll use this stuff for embeds in my CP soap and will order some of the "good stuff" for the MP embeds! Thanks guys hehe
This is the stuff I found:
http://www.creationsfromeden.com/catego ... _pour_soap

Can't find a white one though! :?

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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At the store you posted, they have white ones
http://www.creationsfromeden.com/catego ... _pour_soap

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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I wondered about that, but it didn't have the SFIC in the name. What exactly does SFIC stand for?

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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It's just a brand name.

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:19 am 
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Hrm, alright. Thanks =D

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 Post subject: Re: Temperature issue
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Canwax sells the brand name Stephensons m&P.

If you want SFIC Brand you can get some at
which is a little bit closer than Creations from eden if you are in the east coast.
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