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 Post subject: Bug Repellent Soap
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:31 am 

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Was wondering if anyone has created a Bug Repellent Soap?
I have some ideas on E.O.'s: Neem, Tea Tree, Lemongrass, Peppermint, Thyme, Geranium, Rosemary, but
don't have a good recipe. Would appreciate any help. Thank you

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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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Maybe a bug repellent solid lotion instead since soap rinses off. From personal experience, it doesn't work in soap.

Something like this: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body- ... -eo-blend/

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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body- ... -eo-blend/

http://www.soapqueen.com/bramble-berry- ... ing-eos-3/

http://www.soapqueen.com/bramble-berry- ... tar-anise/

http://www.ehow.com/how_2307105_use-ess ... nsect.html

Those are a few things I ran across, I dont think it would hurt to make a batch of soap with a few skin safe bug repellent EO in them and then use some sort of cream , oil or lotion ect.

Also sorta off topic but I found it to be true. If I take 2 garlic oil capsules a day during the main bug bite season I have less bugs bites without any type of product. I seem to have bug lovely blood more so as a child and teen then now but still if I go out when masqitos are out I always come back with 10+ bites. Unless I take my garlic. It has to be regular not the oder free seems whatever they do to remove the smell removes the benifits. You will smell a little garlicy around the edges but for me I would rather smell garlicy then have tons of itchy bites all over me. Im not a dr and I am just saying what works for me. I would think if you really like garlic you could eat lots in your food instead of takeing capsules but so far I havent found many people willing to eat 1/2 or more of a clove of garlic a day but if you like it it would probly work to.


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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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I make a soap called Don't Bug Me that I use citronella and lemongrass EO s in. It smells good but although several people who have used it claim it keeps bugs away ( my wife being one of them ), I don't buy it. It's soap and gets washed off but as long as they are happy with it I will keep making it.


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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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It only takes 26 seconds for the eo's to cross the skin barrier. Although it is better to use diet to create a bug repellant from the inside to the outside, using a soap or lotion bar with specific eo's has been proven to be effective. in fact, there are even one or two Eo's that have tested to be as effective as DEET.

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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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Dog gone it I might have to admit my wife is right. :shock: Although I won't be making any claims about bug protection.


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Jethro, you can't make bug repellant claims and maintain legal labeling as a plain soap, so you are a smart man to stick with your "no claims" position. It certainly makes things a LOT easier! Of course, you shouldn't have doubted your wife to begin with! Shame on you! :lol:

Genny, I don't have the references on hand, but I am sure that you can google it and find the abstracts for a few applicable studies. We recently had a nice discussion about this topic in a chemistry for cosmetics group that I belong to, and several people mentioned more recent studies than I was familiar with. While I perused them, I didn't take any notes since they only confirmed what I had been previously taught.
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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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I did spend some time googling it and really only found the following:

http:// www. rawforbeauty.com/blog/719--26-seconds-is-all-it-takes-for-chemicals-to-enter-your-blood-stream-.html (remove the spaces)

and every other site with any info with the "26 second is all it takes" phrase was from Young Living & Arbonne reps, which since they're just repeating the same exact phrase over & over and have no evidence to back it up, I'm really not going to take it seriously.

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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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I spent an hour or two looking at scientific studies on skin penetration for essential oils the other day after reading this thread. None offered any general guidelines for time of penetration. The factors involved are too complex to make any generalizations. Most of the studies were focused on amount of penetration for particular oils, or were focused on specific factors that affect penetration in general.

The 26 second quote on various websites lists this URL as its source: [url]SOURCE : http://www.checnet.org/healthehouse/edu ... ain_ID=649[/url]. The page now redirects to healthychild.org. A search on that site shows no reference to the quote.

So who knows? What was interesting is that emulsions penetrated better than other delivery vehicles generally - so that argues that soap might be a good delivery vehicle. The other thing was that hydration of the critical skin layer can improve penetration by 3x. So is there enough hydration that happens in a shower/bath to increase penetration? Doubtful for a shower, but likely for a bath.

My unscientific conclusion is that it is unlikely that much skin penetration occurs via soap in the shower as a generalization. Since there are no studies I could find that looked at this specific question, we can't know for sure.

This is kind of a specialized thread, but I do want to add two personal beliefs about essentials oils in soap:
1) Some people question whether essential oil's therapeutic value makes it through the saponification process. If you can smell it in the cured soap, it's made it through the process. The chemical compounds that give essential oils their distinctive smell are the same chemicals that cause its effects on our bodies.
2) Skin penetration isn't required for many aromatherapy benefits. You can use Google Scholar to find a ton of studies that show that essential oils have a profound effect via the Olfactory System/our nose. One 2009 literature review study that looked at 18 different studies re-confirmed what had been shown in other prior lit reviews - essential oils do have significant physiological impacts via our smell, though why is still debated.


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 Post subject: Re: Bug Repellent Soap
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That you for the interesting post Robert. My take on all this is if the molecular structure is too large to pass through the skin barrier, it will sit on top instead of penetrate. Can you imagine if water readily penetrated? We would drown.

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I am not a YL person, nor do I speak with them or put stock in what they say. In fact, our discussion group doesn't allow their input (although some may belong they cannot promote their group, and the scientists and chemists are very quick to discredit anything they see written that is wrong). In fact, most of the group is either chemists or scientists, with some professors, physicians and nurses in the fringe, as well as some holistic practitioners. We have had this discussion a few times over the years. So maybe I do not know about the seconds, that is what I recall read in at least two of the abstracts, but maybe I am off by a few seconds either way. But I sure do know that the skin is penetrable by chemicals, otherwise there would be no transdermal medication applications, and there are plenty.
Certainly there are a lot of factors that impact the permeability, including, but not limited to age, general health, hydration (which also goes to general health), and the molecular structure of the compound. Irena is right, we do not drown soaking in water. But many things do. Lotion is absorbed by the skin, medication are absorbed, salves are absorbed and with those, some of the ingredients contained in those products are absorbed. Robert is right too, emulsions seem to make penetration easier.
The scientists and chemists in our group discussion had some very intricate and detailed abstracts detailing several studies and tests they had done. The next time we meet I will try to see if the ones who are there can provide me the info again. The ones I read were not yl, they were scientific abstracts. I do not peruse the internet for eo info because there is so much propaganda out there, and even so many of the books are written by misinformed authors. I stick to medical publications and my group info, as well as a few trusted and experienced people on LinkedIn. Like I said, I may be incorrect about the exact number of 26 seconds, but I know I read "seconds", and I know we were discussing how certain essential oils were absorbed and which carrier oils performed in shorter time frames.
Believe as you will, certainly that is everyone's right, but I know that essential oils and herbs are absorbed through the skin and do perform in a variety of medicinal ways, not the least of which is repelling insects. I have seen the benefits with my own eyes, and a large part of those benefits could not have been related to the placebo effect. Trust me, it took a LOT to convince me of some of this, as I tend to be sceptical at heart. But there is scientific proof to back up the fact that some herbs, some foods, and some essential oils improve certain health aspects, and I am not referring solely to aromatherapy. In fact, that is the one aspect that I had a harder time with than any other, because it can be very subjective. But studies do back up the effects are real. There definitely needs to be more studies, but since it is not really in the best interest of drug companies and the like, the funding is not there. The University of Minnesota does do a lot though, and many published scientific papers that I have seen come from them. It is a subject well worth studying further for sure.

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