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 Post subject: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:19 am 

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Hello all! I have been researching a lot online and here before posting. Just for some background, I will be doing small scale M&P. I am going to do my best to stick to natural products down to scents and colors, but still have some questions! Would love to go for organics, but for some of the prices... eh... and I definitely don't want to get into the politics of it!

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No more than one TB of extra oil/butter or added herbs/oats per lb of base

About .5 oz EO per lb of base seems average (as long as that is a skin safe amt for said oil)

SPRITZ WITH ALCOHOL lol

And my questions are

Are clays/botanicals/herbs the only way to color soap naturally? More specifically are micas natural?

Is BBs infusing kit for CP only?

And who are your favorite natural/east coast suppliers?

That's all I have off the top of my head for now!

Any other tips, etc would be greatly appreciated!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:38 am 
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Clay and botanicals can be used for color. So can some infused oils. Use them in small amounts though, otherwise you will start to loose bubbles. Micas are made in a lab. I'm not familiar if BB's kit. If you go to suppliersbystate.com it will give you vendors on the east coast.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:41 am 
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BBs prices for shipping to the East coast are really quite reasonable! I'm moving to NJ so I checked what the S&H will be like to my fiance's place and its a nice low rate.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:53 am 

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I already put in a small order of some EOs, herbs, & misc supplies... Im just a little hesitant on shipping the bases. I'm going to price the place in FL and keep looking on the east coast, but it really depends on the shipping offset. I've only found two places closer to me that have had the same high quality bases, and the last one was more expensive... this one is kind of in the middle but seems to have a good deal on shipping. I mean, everyone wants top quality and bottom dollar, and it very well may be BB. And in the summer who knows what a base shipped from FL will weather, given the humidity :/ I guess I'm just the type to REALLY shop around. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:04 pm 

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Needing SFIC M&P base, I did a fake order to Brambleberry & to another company that is 200 miles east of where I live to compare shipping prices.
Brambleberry shipping was 35.62. The company east of me was 39.42. So because of the excellent customer service I get @ BB I ordered from them. It did honk my nose that the shipping from my state did cost more!


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:11 am 
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Welcome to the wonderful world of melt and pour soap making. Glad you found this site, full of helpful people and tips.

I use http://www.soapgoods.com for my melt and pour base (SFIC). They are in Georgia. I looked quickly at the supplier you mentioned in Florida and their prices for bases seem higher than other vendors. Of course, you need to do the math, including the shipping, to see what your "real" costs are. I only use low-sweat base, being in the very humid northeast. Originally, that was to be my "summer" base, but I've switched to it year-round. The only difference in the formula is that there is less glycerin used in making it. It is slightly more expensive, but has been well worth it to me. It doesn't sweat at all. Really :)

I've not ordered base from Soap Goods since shipping rates went up this week. I generally order 72 pounds of soap base at a time, and shipping had been (FEDEX Ground) $36 for that quantity. Soap arrives at my door within three days. Looks like that shipping has now gone up to around $49 based on a quick look just now.

A couple of other quick things. You didn't mention if you would be selling your finished soaps or whether these would be for your home use only. If you plan to sell, you MUST look into insurance. There are several old threads here that talk about how important it is and how to find it.

Also, there's a recent thread about soap making in Florida with the changes based on some recently passed legislation. I didn't read all of those comments carefully (since I'm not in Florida), but you probably should. Feels onerous to me.

Melting tip - I do not have a stove top, so I rely on a microwave to melt my bases, butters and most oils. I NEVER use full power, even in short bursts, since it's too easy to boil or burn bases, making them useless. Overheating base is the surest way to wind up with what is commonly known as "glycerin dew" (that's the nice name for it) -- when you get glycerin rising to the top of finished soap after a few days/weeks. It can be washed/wiped off, but I've eliminated it completely by heating soap bases at lower power settings.

Thermometer - an absolute essential tool. I use a digital "point and shoot" thermometer. I couldn't make soap without it, especially for layering. multi-color and embeds. For the bases I use, anything above about 160 degrees gets tossed (that's what I get for being impatient at times). All bases have different melting points. Most manufacturers, if you ask them, will tell you the temperature their bases melt at.

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 Post subject: Re: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:56 am 
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I picked up a digital thermometer at Bed Bath and Beyond for $14. Just stick the tip in and it takes about 1 second to give you a reading. I haven't tried a laser thermometer because I'm a lab rat LOL, its hammered into us that those are not accurate. They are probably accurate enough for soaping but I keep seeing my profs scowling at me when I think about getting one! :lol:

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Either one would be an upgrade for me :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:26 pm 

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Obviously everyones after the SFIC bases available at BB, but do we have any opinions on the two stephensons bases w/o surfectants? There was a natural surfectant free and one made with organic oils. In what scenario, if any, would a base with the seemingly higher glycerin content be more desirable?


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 Post subject: Re: Newbie!
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:40 pm 
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I have the Stephenson's bases. I don't really like them. They tend to solidify at higher temperatures; the shea is a gummy ball at 140*F! I can't wait to finish mine off so I can get some SFIC bases and be able to do embeds without the worry of having such high temperature soap!

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