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Teach Soap • View topic - Extra-hard (like) french milled MP base from SFIC

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:48 pm 
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Has anyone used that before? I have such a love/hate relationship with it, and at the point that I don't even know what to do with it anymore :(
Can we compare notes?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:35 am 

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What's the problem with it? I think you recommended this to me a few weeks ago when I was looking for a more durable hard soap. I didn't order any because I didn't want to go to a new vendor. I've been ordering from BB.

But anyway, whats wrong with it? Too hard? Not hard enough? Have you tried blending it with another base?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:34 pm 
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Well, here is my experience...

It is a very hard soap, doesn't really sweat at all, can take additives nicely, lasts in the shower for a very long time. Perfect soap to fill the mold with.

Unfortunately I don't do single soap molds. I like layered soaps, and I often use trays that need to be cut. I have wasted ton of soap before I realized that my layers separate because of this hard base :( It just doesn't stick together. I have made some soaps with layers that didn't fall apart, but I had to pour hotter than usual, so that the layer melts into the previous layer. Still, when I cut (if I use trays), it might crack at the layer :(

I guess I have to get really creative, and see what can be done with it, since I still have about 35 pounds of it left :)
I have mixed it with goats milk, and it is softer, but still had layers separating.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:32 am 
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You've hit upon an issue with the extra hard, no sweat bases. They are so hard that they don't layer well. One of the reason normal melt and pour is able to layer easily is because the extra glycerin in it helps the two layers stick together, sort of like fly paper. If there is no extra moisture, the soap layers draw apart from eachother because they don't have anything else to hang onto.

You could add extra liquid glycerin to the soap to try and get it to a more moist state - but then it might sweat like normal base would when left unwrapped.

I wish I had a better answer for you.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:37 pm 
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Yeah, maybe I need to find a super exciting and unusual mold to make that soap special :)

Anne-Marie, do you maybe have any creative ideas for a base like this? :)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:25 pm 
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I mostly do C/P soaps now and when I do make M&P, I normally use loaf molds as well. But, perhaps you could look at making fancier bars using 3D molds. BB makes quite a few nice ones.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:33 pm 

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Is the French Milled the low sweat like CP base?
Or is that a harder soap?
I've done layers pretty well with the white and clear low sweat bases.
When I pour the next layer, there is usually a skin and I just spray, spray, spray with alcohol.

Knock on wood, but I haven't had any separation yet.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:42 pm 
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Hi Kallia,
no, that is a different base. Low sweat (like CP) base does layer just fine, so don't worry :)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:37 am 

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Thanks! I don't think I have seen the french milled base.
Now I want to try that! ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:00 am 
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Kallia, you can find it on wisterialane.com :)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:10 am 
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I thought that french milled base is just CP soap that's used for rebatch? If that's the case, you can find some at BrambleBerry too.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:39 pm 
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Soapbuddy, this one is MP. It is called "Like" French Milled (or rebatched). It is just extra extra hard, crumbles when you cut it, doesn't sweat, but doesn't layer either :(


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:52 am 
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I can't be 100% sure but I think that the "extra hard, french milled" from Wisteria Lane is the same as the "low sweat" melt and pour from Bramble Berry. The ingredients list looks very similar and the descriptions strike me as similar. Again, not 100% sure but I think they're the same. :D

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:01 pm 
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Soap Queen, these are different bases. They are from SFIC tho!
I have ordered low sweat white from BB before, it is a different animal :)


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