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Teach Soap • View topic - Rebatched CP soap into a lotion type soap

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:21 am 

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Thanks for all the warm welcomes everyone :) I'm glad to find a bunch as obsessed, or possibly even more obsessed, of soap as I am.

I had wanted to like the little cupcakes too but for some reason the FO turned into a HORRIBLE scent and it started leaking out from the soaps. I was trying a CPOP method and think the hiccup happened there though the FO's may be to blame. Dunno.

So tonight I undertook another shot at this and took proper notes throughout the entire thing. It makes me realize how IMPORTANT noting things is. I wrote down everything I did step by step. I can say that so far it's nothing short of amazing!

Here's some pics (sorry if too many, I'm just excited at this whole photobucket thing I was taught yesterday evening)

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This was final result. It turns out MORE water makes it more fluffy. I think this has to do with the fact that in lotion making higher percentages of oils make a thicker lotion. Higher water makes thinner. If you want it to whip up it needs to be thin enough to do this. I added water at different percentages, noted, then took samples and labeled them to see what happens to them at each stage as time goes on. This picture was at a level I was happy with so I stopped. I had actually removed some of the soap from this batch before taking this shot so that I could make this...

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I added about a cup of sugar, just the regular store bought white sugar. It was tough on my hand mixer and kept crawling up the whips. Bit of a pain, but it was worth it. It has the consistency of, well, taffy. I'm really unable to explain it any other way. I scented this one with a sugar cookie FO, seemed appropriate with it being whipped and filled with sugar. It smelt edible. I let them both sit awhile then had to test em out. I put a little of both into some of those ziploc containers... I'm more of a basic CP kinda guy, but something seemed kind of fun using a whipped soap from leftover scraps of a monumental disaster. I've never used a sugar scrub either, but I could feel the sugar in there when I was testing it and I think it could do to have a little bit more sugar, though I don't think my little walmart hand mixer could handle mixing anymore into it. The whipped soap without sugar was creamy and felt exactly how it looked. They both lathered extremely well. After rinsing I was afraid because my skin felt a little tight and I thought perhaps these would be too drying, though I don't know how with all the oils I had added. After drying off my skin feels AWESOME.

I'm still a little worried about separation though so far nothing at all looks like it's separating. I used the borax/beeswax again, and this time I did the entire procedure like a lotion, with a water phase and a separate oil phase. I just put the re-batched soap into the oil phase of things and counted it as an oil while weighing. This came out FAR FAR FAR superior then my first attempt, I really can't stress that enough. This is a bit time consuming, though in the excitement of it I didn't even notice how much time had passed, kinda a normal soaper thing I think :)

I would def recommend that anyone try this. I have my 4 test samples sitting in separate containers, labeled and corresponding with my notes so that I can check them and note on them and see what happens.I'm going to have to tweak my recipe a little as I added more water AFTER I had already combined everything, including the emulsifier, so I will have to adjust the ratio to account for the added water when formulating this for future use. A preservative would definitely be needed with something like this, but other then that, this could be made completely naturally using your leftover soap bits, an EO, and oils and other ingredients you have laying around your workspace (well actually is Xanthan gum natural? Ok this could be very very very close to all natural 8) ). I have more photos of the entire process at different stages when I remembered to snap a shot and I have notes if anyone is interested in playing around with the recipe and seeing what they can come up with, as long as you're willing to share results back with me :) Hope this wasn't too long for everyone, I'm just really excited about it.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:22 am 
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Looks good! So how much soap, water and sugar did you use? What about the beeswax/borax combo?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:29 am 

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Tutorial please! :D I love photo tutorial, I can relate words better! That looks like a fun experiment to do!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:38 pm 
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Welcome Luigi. Great efforts, way above my soaping level at the current time. But given a chance I would frost a cake with the top photo in your second try! I love the color. I would love to have something else to do with my soap scraps because I hate rebatching! I am glad you were able to think outside of the soapbox!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:10 pm 

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I wrote up everything that I did. If you're interested in seeing it PM me and I'll send it your way. It wrote out VERY long so I decided to save it and can copy and paste it to those who are interested.

and Bubbles2, as long as you have the "safety" side of things down, nothing is over your head! Part of the fun of this hobby is being able to create things. We're all always gonna run into snags here and there, and it's those snags that help you become a better soaper. I say if you want to make a soap cake make that your next project, and just do it small enough to learn from it. Dive in! There are so many resources available (thanks to the "senior" soapers who've paved the way for us), and people in this community don't seem to be greedy with info and are more then willing to lend a hand. In fact there's a GREAT tutorial on youtube by mrscrafty100 on how to make a soap cakes (am I allowed to post youtube names like that on here?). Give it a shot and show us how it turns out.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:50 pm 

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Well 3 weeks have passed and I checked on my 4 samples. No separating whatsoever. Here's a couple photos...

This one had the least amount of water.
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Below was my favorite consistency with the most amount of water.
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I've noticed that it seems to have firmed up a little bit more. They've retained their whipped consistency. Batch one a little heavier then batch 4. Both lather GREAT, which I'm still surprised by given the amount of oils and water that I added. My hands feel silky after testing and I would think this would be suitable stuff to shave with. I don't like the sugar scrub I attempted with this stuff, too sticky for my taste, though I may have done something wrong as I've never actually attempted a sugar scrub before. Anyone else give this a shot yet? Curious to know how anyone elses turned out if they tried it.

Going to give them another 3 weeks then check on them again.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:55 pm 
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Looks good!

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Thank you, Luigi, for sharing this with all of us. I can't wait to check back in 3 weeks and see how things are coming along. It looks great now!


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That soap looks great! Would you have to worry about things growing in it because you added so much water, etc. ??? Great job!

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