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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:57 pm 

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I am looking for advice on my recipe from all the seasoned soapers out there!

33% Olive
33% Palm
30% Coconut
4% Shea
w/ 5% Superfat Castor

I almost always add Silk to my batches and sometimes add goatsmilk powder or yogurt powder as well. I do the room temprature method and have my oils pre portioned but I wanted to try to make my soap harder....I decided I would try what Soapbuddy mentioned one time......adding Salt to my Lye water to make the soap harder. WOW, seize much!!! Big time, literally soap on a stick!! Is there something I should/could change in my recipe to make a harder bar of soap? Also, any advice on just a generally better bar of soap? I am pretty happy with this recipe but I am still a newbie and would love any guidence.

The soap batch I am talking about above was by far my worst seize ever but I have had it happen before. I am wondering what you do when a batch seizes that bad.........is it best to cook it in a pot on (or in) the oven then glop it into a mold? Would you get more movement from the soap if you did it this way?? Also, does my recipe stand out as likely to seize? It seems to happen to me more often then it should even though I am soaping at room temps (oils at room temp, lye freshly made)

Thanks so much for all your help!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:20 am 
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Hi Carla! I ran your recipe through soapcalc.net without the castor and it should be a fairly hard bar already. You should really figure the castor into your recipe and then run it through the calculator at 5-7% superfat so that your recipe will be more accurate. Adding the castor at the end doesn't mean it will be what is used for superfatting because the lye will take what it wants. You have a good recipe even without the castor but if you wanted to add it, I would cut the coconut back to 25% and add 5% castor. Your bar will be a little softer, but it will be more conditioning.

Did you completely melt & stir your palm oil before measuring it? If not it could have seized because that batch had an excess of stearic acid from the palm oil. I've added salt (up to 1 tsp/# of oil) to my lye water and haven't had a problem with seizing. Maybe soapbuddy has other suggestions. 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:00 am 

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Thank you for your help Linda and that makes sense, I'll play around with the soap calc some more.

I was hoping Soapbuddy would chime in.......;)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:14 am 
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I would do 7% superfat and calculate any oils or butters right up front. Lye is very active at trace and it will take whatever it wants. There is no guarantee that any particular oil or butter will end up as your superfat. The exception to this would be if you HP the soap and add any extra oil or butter after the cook.

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