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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:00 am 

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Ok - here is a recipe I'd like to try. I ran it through a lye calculator, of course.
The site I got it from recommends using a 1% superfat for the calculator, then adding your superfatting agents at trace, so that you have some control over exactly which oils are the ones "left" to do the superfatting job.

I'm trying to do a bar that is very nice (rich lather, moisturizing, etc) without breaking the bank. Also - it would be nice to use ingredients I have on hand.
I am putting down the recipe as it was given to me, but I have "resized it" through the same calculator to fit my mould.
Based on that:

8 oz Crisco shortening
2 oz Coconut Oil
2 oz Almond oil
4 ox Olive Oil
5.28 oz water
2.26 oz lye

at trace: 1 tsp honey, .5 oz each shea and cocoa butter

So....I'd love to hear from the experts! Will this bar be too hard? Too soft? Nice? Icky?

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There is no need to add superfat oils at trace. The lye is stil active at this point and it will take whatever it wants. Add all your oils and butters right up front and calculate your recipe for about 7% superfat. Since this is a small recipe, change the ozs. to grams. It will be more accurate that way. Almond oil is a soft oil, so I would leave it out. Try some castor oil for more bubbles. The sugar from the honey will help with the bubbles too.

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Here is the text that recommends adding the oils at trace so that you have some control over exactly which oils are the ones "leftover" from the lye:

Superfatting soap by decreasing the lye content eliminates the step of adding oil at trace but decreases the control that the soap maker has over what oil is left in the soap. For example, if 5% cocoa butter was added as part of the base oil (say 95% Olive Oil) and the lye amount was calculated for a 5% excess fat level the excess fat in the soap would be made up of a combination of Olive oil and cocoa butter with most of the excess fat being Olive oil. If the same batch was mixed using just Olive Oil at a 1% excess fat level and the cocoa butter was added at the trace stage you would know that the final soap bar contained 1% olive oil and 5% cocoa butter. The cocoa butter would have in this case been unaffected by the lye since it was added after the soap had traced.

I'd really like to hear your opinion on this one...seems to make sense to me, but... :roll:


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The only way you would end up with the superfating oil or butter is if you add it after the cook. Lye does not discriminate. It will take whatever it wants during the soapmaking process. Older soapmaking book have the directions as adding oils or butters at trace, but it has been proven that those oils or butters do not neccesarilly end up as your superfat.

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I've tried it both ways and can't tell the difference. So I just add everything up front and superfat at 7% - it's much easier. The lye is still active at trace (try the zap test if you don't believe it!) :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:45 pm 

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OK. let's see- get rid of the almond oil - replace it with castor oil...add some cocoa butter - (shea is nice but expensive - plus I have lots of cocoa butter on hand - the good stuff - food grade that has a higher fat content - I get it from a commercial chocolate supply house).

I hate to keep buggin you guys for help - but all of those "soaping properties of oils" charts disagree with each other. Some say almond will make it softer, some say harder, for example. I'd buy the soapmaker software if I had any confidence at all in the "predicted soap qualities" graph .
OK, anyway:
How does this look?

soybean shortening (Crisco) 37.5%
olive oil 25%
castor oil, coconut oil and cocoa butter all at 12.5% each
plus the requisite honey :)

(I'm a long time beeswax chandler - gotta put a bit of honey in the soap!)

thanks massively for all your help!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:47 pm 
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I would not go above 5% for the castor. Add the difference to your coconut oil.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:56 pm 

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taking notes....hoping I can read my handwriting later!!!!!

thanks, girly girl!


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Your first recipe would have yielded a very soft bar as SB pointed out. Here is a calculator that you can use that gives you the values of various characteristics. While you don't have to have a bar within all the numbers to have a good bar, until you are more experienced this will help you will goals and the differences in the various oils. http://www.soapcalc.net/calc/SoapCalcWP.asp

Also, when it comes to the lye taking what it wants, most of us believe that, but as you read, some people do not. In reality, there are only a couple of oils that have exceptionally high values of unsaponifiable fats, so only those are sure to remain and be superfatting agents, but this will happen regardless of when you add them.

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This is a funny take on soapmaking, but you might find this useful. http://www.canis-art.com/soaping.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:13 am 

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WOW !!!!!!!!!!!

That is best soap calculator I have seen!!!!! The best part is being able to preview the properties - that's what the other calculators don't tell you.
This is gonna be fun!!

And by the way - I am not really new to soap making - I made soap with my grandmother for years and years - but I never knew the recipe. So now that she has passed away, I am trying to figure out recipes. The techniques themselves - I am fairly comfortable with.

Note to all of you: write your recipes down and pass them on for the next generation!!!!!!

You artistry is too important to let slip away!!


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